- Illegal immigrants that get made legal no longer living in fear of deportation/detention, able to work for proper wages under proper employment law rather than for rubbish money under exploitative bosses, able to send their kids to school without fear of them getting caught out, able to access healthcare services etc without having to lie about their identities or use accident and emergency as an alternative to registering with a GP etc etc.
- But! But! It's hard enough to get a job/get kids into a good school/get an appointment with a GP as it is without loads of other people suddenly officially appearing in the system!
As someone without children that has a job and doesn't use the NHS all that much (who used to work with homeless and often 'invisible' or failed asylum seekers/refugees, including a woman who turned up on the office doorstep actually in labour because the doctor had sent her away and she didn't speak English to explain that she was having a baby) I have to say I'm fairly on the side of the pro. But I can see the con as well. But I am still on the side of the pro.
I tend to agree with you, but I am a white legal immigrant here and unfortunately, the emphasis is on "white".
Legal immigrants are badly treated enough here and they are the ones with proper jobs (using the term loosely) and permits!
Only the Independents, Greens, and Lib Dems are on that site for my area, and they all pretty much agree with each other. Ho hum.
None of my candidates have bothered to sign up.
I say send all the immigrants home. Every last one of them.
Fine. I was going to go anyway. Huff.
My local UKIP candidate thinks that excess immigration is causing house prices to be too high, preventing first-time buyers getting on the property ladder, which then causes binge drinking, drug problems and 'hoplessness'. That's right, immigrants cause binge drinking. And hoplessness, whatever that is.
My local Tory hasn't signed up for this, which is a shame. I've got the UKIP joker, the famous Green, the fairly down-to-earth Labour and the not-really-up-to-the-job Lib Dem but I'd like to have known whether the Tory really is as fluffy as she's pushing herself in her leaflets.
On the whole ten years thing, I know a family who were in the UK longer than ten years before the Home Office gave them a decision on whether or not they could permanently live here. A ten year default amnesty might just make the whole system more efficient.
Labour with Lib Dem a close second. Tory and BNP party candidates weren't playing though
In my borough the Green Party candidate is a complete twat, they were basically in bed with the Tories locally during the nineties and this website thinks I should vote for them. I think they're trying to wind me up...
Not sure if the Lib Dems actually want my vote though. There are only two days to go; surely they will do some canvassing or put a leaflet through my door or something at some point before the election? I've had mountains of mail from the embarrassing "streetwise" Tory and the admittedly good local Labour candidate, but so far precisely nish from the Lib Dems.
The lib dems have naff all budget compared to Labour and the Tories and are relying on volunteers to deliver these leaflets, and donations to get them printed up. The manifesto is still free to read online though, as should be your local MP's voting record. Don't wait for them to come to you, is what I'm saying, they might not have the resources to.
I wish we'd do it in the US, but everyone would be up in arms. they kinda are already.
pros: what's the point of letting anyone live in your country legally? well, you do it because they contribute to society, because diverse thinking is good for economy, because their kid could grow up to be the doctor that saves your life someday. I mean what makes "born here" citizens so much more special than anyone else who comes in and proves they want to work hard? I say there's no sense in spending government money to deport good people.
Excellent website - thanks for the link, Tim.
It's genuinely helped me make up my mind who to vote for this time around, because now I know what those people think of local issues, as well as National ones.
Only the Greens and UKIP have filled it in my area, and it's about as safe a Labour seat as there is. The rest (including the incumbent) haven't even bothered giving out a single flyer.
So out of interest, I looked at a neighbouring ward that's being a bit harder contested (probably still Labour, mind). I agreed mostly with the Green candidate. She'll probably be pleased to hear it, seeing as I'm her PhD student.
2010-05-04 01:14 pm (UTC)
I reckon this is all a clever ruse. They're going to offer amnesty, people will come out saying ok, I am one, make me legal and the complex list of rules that decides whether or not the amnesty applies to them probably won't apply 99% of the time but HA, GOT YOU now GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY PWND!!!!1
Opponents argue that it would act as a pull factor. However, this might be offset by Tory measures to address the deficit.
2010-05-04 03:17 pm (UTC)
2010-05-04 03:29 pm (UTC)
Ha FIVE of my candidates have not answered this thing. Only Lib Dems and the Animals Count bloke with the stupid hairdo have bothered.
Haha and apparently I should vote for stupid hairdo bloke. Not bloody likely.