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Political [May. 4th, 2010|11:49 am]
Listen in, listen Ian!
What do people in general think of the Lib Dems' plans for giving amnesties to illegal immigrants who've been here more than ten years then? As far as I can tell, the pros and cons are:

Pros:
- We don't really know how many people there are in the country. It would be useful to know this for planning purposes, and as it stands an unknown number of people who are here are certainly not going to be on the census next year.
- If there are people who've been in the country for ten years who haven't come to the attention of the authorities, the chances are they aren't doing any real harm. Let's let them play fair, and start paying taxes and stuff.

Cons:
- But they're ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!

Give me some more pros and cons people.

Also, I did the 'Who Should You Vote For?' quiz here. It's the best one I've seen so far, because it's tailored for your constituency and lets you compare your views with the actual candidates' views, or at least the ones who have bothered to answer a few questions. It turns out that I should vote Lib Dem, as I was going to do anyway, but only narrowly (22pts to the 19pts each of the Tories and Greens in joint second. Labour didn't play.)
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[User Picture]From: ultraruby
2010-05-04 11:05 am (UTC)
I'd say:

Pros:

- Illegal immigrants that get made legal no longer living in fear of deportation/detention, able to work for proper wages under proper employment law rather than for rubbish money under exploitative bosses, able to send their kids to school without fear of them getting caught out, able to access healthcare services etc without having to lie about their identities or use accident and emergency as an alternative to registering with a GP etc etc.

Cons:

- But! But! It's hard enough to get a job/get kids into a good school/get an appointment with a GP as it is without loads of other people suddenly officially appearing in the system!

As someone without children that has a job and doesn't use the NHS all that much (who used to work with homeless and often 'invisible' or failed asylum seekers/refugees, including a woman who turned up on the office doorstep actually in labour because the doctor had sent her away and she didn't speak English to explain that she was having a baby) I have to say I'm fairly on the side of the pro. But I can see the con as well. But I am still on the side of the pro.
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[User Picture]From: mammadibiba
2010-05-04 11:39 am (UTC)
Hear hear.
I tend to agree with you, but I am a white legal immigrant here and unfortunately, the emphasis is on "white".
Legal immigrants are badly treated enough here and they are the ones with proper jobs (using the term loosely) and permits!
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[User Picture]From: offensive_mango
2010-05-04 11:05 am (UTC)
Only the Independents, Greens, and Lib Dems are on that site for my area, and they all pretty much agree with each other. Ho hum.
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[User Picture]From: huskyteer
2010-05-04 11:06 am (UTC)
None of my candidates have bothered to sign up.
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[User Picture]From: offensive_mango
2010-05-04 11:15 am (UTC)
I say send all the immigrants home. Every last one of them.
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[User Picture]From: ozgirlabroad
2010-05-04 11:16 am (UTC)
Fine. I was going to go anyway. Huff.
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[User Picture]From: shermarama
2010-05-04 11:21 am (UTC)
My local UKIP candidate thinks that excess immigration is causing house prices to be too high, preventing first-time buyers getting on the property ladder, which then causes binge drinking, drug problems and 'hoplessness'. That's right, immigrants cause binge drinking. And hoplessness, whatever that is.

My local Tory hasn't signed up for this, which is a shame. I've got the UKIP joker, the famous Green, the fairly down-to-earth Labour and the not-really-up-to-the-job Lib Dem but I'd like to have known whether the Tory really is as fluffy as she's pushing herself in her leaflets.

On the whole ten years thing, I know a family who were in the UK longer than ten years before the Home Office gave them a decision on whether or not they could permanently live here. A ten year default amnesty might just make the whole system more efficient.
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[User Picture]From: mammadibiba
2010-05-04 11:30 am (UTC)
Labour with Lib Dem a close second. Tory and BNP party candidates weren't playing though
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[User Picture]From: tonight_we_fly
2010-05-04 11:52 am (UTC)
In my borough the Green Party candidate is a complete twat, they were basically in bed with the Tories locally during the nineties and this website thinks I should vote for them. I think they're trying to wind me up...

Not sure if the Lib Dems actually want my vote though. There are only two days to go; surely they will do some canvassing or put a leaflet through my door or something at some point before the election? I've had mountains of mail from the embarrassing "streetwise" Tory and the admittedly good local Labour candidate, but so far precisely nish from the Lib Dems.
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From: baphomette
2010-05-04 12:34 pm (UTC)
The lib dems have naff all budget compared to Labour and the Tories and are relying on volunteers to deliver these leaflets, and donations to get them printed up. The manifesto is still free to read online though, as should be your local MP's voting record. Don't wait for them to come to you, is what I'm saying, they might not have the resources to.
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[User Picture]From: spacefem
2010-05-04 12:14 pm (UTC)
I wish we'd do it in the US, but everyone would be up in arms. they kinda are already.

pros: what's the point of letting anyone live in your country legally? well, you do it because they contribute to society, because diverse thinking is good for economy, because their kid could grow up to be the doctor that saves your life someday. I mean what makes "born here" citizens so much more special than anyone else who comes in and proves they want to work hard? I say there's no sense in spending government money to deport good people.
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[User Picture]From: pookee
2010-05-04 12:32 pm (UTC)
Excellent website - thanks for the link, Tim.

It's genuinely helped me make up my mind who to vote for this time around, because now I know what those people think of local issues, as well as National ones.
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[User Picture]From: bonyandidle
2010-05-04 01:11 pm (UTC)
Only the Greens and UKIP have filled it in my area, and it's about as safe a Labour seat as there is. The rest (including the incumbent) haven't even bothered giving out a single flyer.

So out of interest, I looked at a neighbouring ward that's being a bit harder contested (probably still Labour, mind). I agreed mostly with the Green candidate. She'll probably be pleased to hear it, seeing as I'm her PhD student.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-05-04 01:14 pm (UTC)
両親も、同じ時期にハワイに行こうか、とか言っている。。。。
どうしよ。
やっぱり、早めに日程とか決めないとね。
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[User Picture]From: offensive_mango
2010-05-04 01:39 pm (UTC)
FUCK OFF
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[User Picture]From: demiabeille
2010-05-04 01:40 pm (UTC)
I reckon this is all a clever ruse. They're going to offer amnesty, people will come out saying ok, I am one, make me legal and the complex list of rules that decides whether or not the amnesty applies to them probably won't apply 99% of the time but HA, GOT YOU now GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY PWND!!!!1
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[User Picture]From: lowlowprices
2010-05-04 02:17 pm (UTC)
Opponents argue that it would act as a pull factor. However, this might be offset by Tory measures to address the deficit.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-05-04 03:17 pm (UTC)
じゃあ、FamousのSopranoで練習を開始して、
ハワイでルイスのConcert sizeのを弾いてもいい?
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-05-04 03:29 pm (UTC)
何も買えなくなっちゃうけど、ウクレレ欲しい。。。。
ルイスに買ってもらう。
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[User Picture]From: kiss_me_quick
2010-05-04 04:28 pm (UTC)
Ha FIVE of my candidates have not answered this thing. Only Lib Dems and the Animals Count bloke with the stupid hairdo have bothered.
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[User Picture]From: kiss_me_quick
2010-05-04 04:34 pm (UTC)
Haha and apparently I should vote for stupid hairdo bloke. Not bloody likely.
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